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Are Calvinist, Presbyterian, & Reformed Churches Biblical?

Prefacing Points:

Question: Does God choose people? Or people choose God?

Answer: Before the cross, God was the one choosing people ("the Elect"), but after the cross it was people ("the Predestined") who chose God’s grace by hearing the word of God.​

Where in the Bible does it say that it has to be “exclusively” one or the other? Churches are stuck on one or the other! Can’t God give it a push in the early days before the cross, then let it run on its own after? The only way God can have a meaningful relationship with people is to give them the choice. Would you agree to an arranged marriage? How much more our Holy God would not?!

Before The Cross: God chose the Jews. He chose them all-the-way back to Adam & Eve, as evident in the genealogies documented in the Bible. God’s objective was to do whatever it took to accomplish His salvation plan through the Messiah Jesus, including the choosing of people back then that led up to this accomplishment. When Jesus came, He too chose His disciples - John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit.

After The Cross: Jews & Gentiles who saw miracles and were preached-to by the disciples and apostles, made their choice to believe based on that. Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. One exception was Paul. He was chosen by God to become an Apostle of Jesus Christ. One exception was Paul. Paul was forcefully appointed by God to become an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Specifically for Gentiles (all of us non-Jews):  After the cross it became faith by hearing, which God foreknew and predestined individuals accordingly.

The Main Focus of this Page Is on "Predestination", after the Cross

Predestination: is a term introduced in the New Testament to mean those who chose God's grace by hearing the word, and God foresaw them. Summarizing with biblical references that confirm the following:

  • Are we predestined?  Yes

    • It means God foresaw our free-will decision and helped it grow.​

  • Predestined for God's unknown "mysterious" reasons?  No

    • They are known reasons! God revealed them to us in many parts of the Bible, example parables at the bottom of this page.

    • We are now living-out our lives in our time-space continuum, that God foresaw and based His predestination on.

    • God foreknew 1st, destined 2nd, all done in His realm before creation; He's outside our time dimension. 

    • There is no "before" and "after" for God. What you do now in your life determines your predestination status. Example, do you know Jesus' commands? Are you keeping them?

  • Was it our free-will decision? Yes​

    • He did not make the decision for us! He just foresaw it.

  • Who are the "Elect"?

    • The term "elect" applies only to the Jews. But not all Jews are "elect"!

    • Some of the Jews will be saved by "election". SeeWill Today's Jews Go to Heaven?

    • The term "elect" does not apply to Gentiles!!

    • Are the terms "elect" and "predestined" the same? No, see below.

  1. Calvinist & Arminian

  2. Are "Elect" and "Predestined" the Same?

  3. Bible Verses that Point to: "People didn't care about God; He had to do it all".

  4. Bible Verses about Predestination

  5. Bible Verses that Point to a Loving God Not Trying to Confuse Us

  6. God IS Sovereign

  7. Does God Change His Mind?

  8. The Explanation That Clarifies It All

  9. What Does all this Mean to Us?

  10. Is The T.U.L.I.P Biblical?

1. Calvinist & Arminian

Calvinist and Arminian Christians have a lot in common, but they strongly disagree on the free-will aspect. Christianity today can be sliced in many different ways in terms of Bible interpretation, one example is the different church-denominations out there. But at a higher layer, there is a fork-in-the-road disagreement on one subject:

  • Calvinist: God predestined us for His "mysterious" reasons, before creation. We have no say. The Calvinist church separated from the Catholic church with their "no-free-will" and "no conditions" views.

  • Arminian: We have the free-will to choose God's grace or reject it. It's our free-will decision. Ironically the Catholic church and the rest of the Protestant churches (Evangelical, Baptist, etc.) all agree on the free-will interpretation.

Arminian does not exclusively mean Catholic! Several Protestant churches like Evangelical and Baptist are also Arminian. Arminian is the fork-side of Christianity that agrees on the free-will choice interpretation of the Bible. It does not mean all Arminian churches agree on everything; they only agree on the free-will interpretation.

On this page I provide a thorough view with a different perspective, addressing both sides of the subject, complete with Bible references. This subject has actually been viciously debated for years. The usual sticky points in these debates can be summarized as follows:


Predestination verses in the Bible are very clear that God predestined us before creation. And that any action on our part would be considered "works" towards our own salvation, contradicting to predestination. God is in complete control, including the choice of our eternal destination.

Predestination verses were identified and discussed years before John Calvin, but Calvin around the 16th century brought it back to the forefront. And a new church was born. Many Calvinist scholars wrote detailed books about the subject. The Calvinist / reformed-Calvinist churches encourage their members to read those books instead of the Bible.

The Predestination subject is so debated that there are different sub-interpretation views within the same subject. But in this page we will keep it focused on the main original view as defined here.


We have free-will to choose to accept or reject God's grace of salvation through Christ. And that the predestination references are actually clarified in other parts of the Bible, as God predestined us based on foreknowledge.

God foreknew those who chose His grace by faith. Then He predestined them based on this knowledge. God is "I AM"; He sits outside of our time/space continuum. He can see eternity past / future from where He sits.

The concept of "God is in complete control of everything, including deciding our eternal destiny, mysteriously picking and choosing from the humans to grant them salvation", is completely misunderstood and unbiblical! 

There are some Arminian denominations, example Catholic and Greek Orthodox, that take things in the wrong direction with their unbiblical conditions like "purgatory", and other unbiblical doctrines like Mary mother of God and saints' canonizations. These are false doctrines - see my pages on Mary the Mother of God? and Purgatory.

2. Are "Elect" and "Predestined" the Same?

No, they have different meanings:

- "Elect" - Are true Jewish believers from the days of Paul and before, including the patrilineage of Jesus Christ all the way back to Adam. 

- "Predestined" - Are any people on earth who chose to truly believe, which God foreknew and predestined to life. God is outside of time. He can see eternity past/future from where He is. He did not make the choice for us. He just foresaw - saw first, predestined second. 

Romans 11:2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. 

Romans 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son


Of course God’s foreknowledge also applies to the “Elect”. This is how He knew to select Seth from the sons of Adam for example, and not Cain who killed his brother. And also foreknew and selected Jacob, not Esau the firstborn.

So what is the difference between the two? 

"Elect" is those Jews who did not know or accept Jesus as God's Messiah. But by genuine faith in God stayed the course as taught by the old-covenant law of Moses. Only God knows who those Jews are.

"Predestined" is all true Christian believers who chose to accept God's grace offer through Jesus, and were predestined by God through His foreknowledge. Predestined can be anyone on earth, including Jews and Gentiles.

More details in Will Today's Jews Go to Heaven?

3. Bible Verses that Point to: "People didn't care about God; He had to do it all"

Psalms 53:1-3

God looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Isaiah 63:5

I looked, but there was no one to help; I was appalled that no one assisted. So My arm brought Me salvation, and My own wrath upheld Me. 

​So God, seeing this, decided to provide salvation using His own Self, without help from people. He did this for all people, not selectively.  The above verses are from the Old Testament before Christ. After Christ, God presented His salvation plan through Jesus' death on the cross for people to simply accept it and become saved. In other words, He made it much easier for people to reconcile with Him. It is a different era ushered by God. The above verses became fulfilled by Jesus. 

4. Bible Verses about Predestination

Ephesian 1:4-5

For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

Romans 11:7

... What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened

Matthew 13:10-14

And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. “For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

“In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.

Notes: Terms like "predestined... for His good pleasure", "the non-elect were hardened by God", "God gave them eyes that can't see, ears that can't hear...", and "God gave them a spirit of stupor", can sound like God is doing mysterious picking and choosing. And this is exactly what Calvinist theologians dwelled on. But look below; detailed elaborating explanations from the Bible clearly demystifying the above! God Himself provides the explanation!!

5 Bible Verses that Point to a Loving God Not Trying to Confuse Us

Arminian is the dominant view in the Bible. Everywhere I look in the Scripture I see a loving God clearly asking all people on earth to seek Him and love Him, and then He will love them back. Nowhere did I find anything hinting that God is trying to trick us into thinking it's our decision when in reality it's actually His!! 


Here are some example references:

James 4:8

Come near to God and he will come near to you.

Proverbs 8:17

I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

2 Chronicles 15:2

... The Lord is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

2 Chronicles 15:15

All Judah ... sought God eagerly, and he was found by them. So the Lord gave them rest on every side.

2 Chronicles 24:20 

... “This is what God says: ‘Why do you disobey the Lord’s commands? You will not prosper. Because you have forsaken the Lord, He has forsaken you.’”

Matthew 28:17-20

... Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Notes: Jesus said teach everybody on earth. Actually related to this last reference above, when the Calvinist church is asked: "Why bother preach to people when God already decided?" They answer: "We preach because God asked us to, for His mysterious reasons. We just obey and preach to everyone".

Romans 10:17

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

But the Calvinist doctrine explains this as, God selectively made some people hear the word and develop this faith. The theme of this Calvinist explanation is applied throughout thousands of Bible references that are addressed to "everyone", "the whole world", etc. Usually changed to "selectively-everyone", "selectively the whole world", etc.

Let's put this in a different perspective. God created humans with free-will, example Adam & Eve who made the choice to eat from the tree. But God didn't let His creation's free-will destroy them. He provided His redemption plan through Christ, and made it known to all people through the scripture. Then let them in their free-will choose to become interested in His new and simple grace offer! 

In the same way, we ourselves, created in God's image, don't bring children into this world and abandon some of them. We help them along on the right path until they grow up. And we don't do that selectively; we don't choose 2 of our babies, help them grow on the right path, and throw the 3rd baby over a cliff! 

The scripture explains how God chose and predestined people; nothing mysterious about it. We are the ones to accept His grace or reject it. God being outside our time dimension, foresaw our saying yes all the way back to before creation. And the "for His pleasure" is not that we'll be providing amusement or entertainment to Him. It is the pleasure He has in creating, and particularly creating humans and the resulting meaningful relationship with them, which was the main purpose of His creation in the first place.

5.1 Verses Contradicting to Mysterious Predestination:

Romans 11:2

God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. 

Romans 8:29 

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son 

Notes: What does "foreknew them" mean? It means God knew them before they were born. He knew them, that is, He knew they would choose Him. And so, He helped them along in that direction = "predestined" them.

You may say, no, "foreknew" means He got to know them before they were born, liked them, and "elected" them for His mysterious reasons. And not necessarily because they chose Him by free-will. Ok, I'll entertain that thought with you. If He didn't give us a thousand-page Bible and only gave us these 2 or 5 or 10 references, then yes, I'd agree with you. But He gave us a whole Bible elaborating on it!! Your interpretation does not fit the rest of the scripture! And forcing it to fit by tweaking the meaning of words is not the way to go either. God is too loving to confuse and trick us like this!

5.2 References that say we should mature spiritually or risk becoming unsaved:

More evidence it's our call.

John 15:1

I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit 

Luke 13:6-9

Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’ “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

Notes: God gives people a chance to truly seek Him, or be cut down, as in become spiritually dead, which leads to becoming unsaved and sent to hell after death. So how does this fit in the Calvinist doctrine? It is very clear it is against it. "Fruit" here means spiritual growth. So, similar to the "talents" parable below, bear fruit or risk becoming rejected by God. It is clear from this parable that God is waiting on our proper action in our lifetime, or else "cut the fig tree". This parable says the ball is in our court now; so, it's our action next to choose to do the right thing, or not.

Why would God bother giving us all these detailed parables like the one above and the one below, that are pro-Arminian view? To confuse us? He's too loving for that. He clearly describes us having free will to make the right choices or else suffer consequences. What makes it difficult to understand is that He's outside of time, and we are in it. 

6. God IS Sovereign

The Bible describes God as sovereign, meaning uninfluenced by other forces, and yes, He is a supreme being that can do what He pleases. But the Bible did not stop there. It also described Him as loving, just, and infinite in wisdom. So let's make sure we take all of this into consideration when we try to understand God. To only march with the "dictatorship" meaning of sovereign, would be short-sighted. God is not so simple to be reduced to a one-word description by humans, or an acronym like TULIP!

  • Is God sovereign? Yes

  • Does He want a kingdom made up of yes-people that He forced to like Him? No

  • When we choose to accept His grace offer, we also accept His rules and commands, and we become His children, and Him our God! This does not take away from or lessen His sovereignty!

  • Only "our genuine choice to accept" would result in a meaningful relationship with Him! In the same way we ourselves would never accept others to be forced to like us, example arranged marriage, how much more God in His infinite wisdom would want the same for Himself?!!! 

So, in His sovereignty, He designed a redemption salvation approach with a Messiah, prophets, and miracles to draw people's attention and attract them to Himself. And no, it wasn't only to attract selectively those He mysteriously selected!! It is presented to the whole earth! Listen to me Calvinists. If you don't obey Jesus' commands, you're not predestined, you're lost and hell-bound! Stop reading the Calvinist books, and start reading the Bible before it is too late!

7. Does God Change His Mind?

He does not change His mind concerning His grand plans:

1 Samuel‬ ‭15‬:‭29‬

“He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.””


But He does change His mind when we ask concerning our individual lives. Jesus said:

Luke 11:10 "For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

Luke 11:13 "... your Father in heaven gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

God Does React to Our Prayers, and Foresaw It All

You can't understand this statement? It's because you don't read the Bible; you're wasting your time reading the Calvinist books! Calvinist churches misled people severely. They taught, "it's God's plan" and "prayers are only for obedience but won't change God's plan"!! 

This is what happens when you don't read the whole Bible! The Calvinist church, like all other churches, has their favorite side of the Bible to mislead people, collect donations, and sell books.


There are many references in the Bible that talk about how our prayer is needed for God to change something for us. I hand-picked this one for you:

Job 42:7-9

After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and your two friends. For you have not spoken about Me accurately, as My servant Job has. So now, take seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. Then My servant Job will pray for you, for I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken accurately about Me, as My servant Job has.” So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the Lord had told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s request.…

And another reference from the New Testament:

1 Peter 3:12

For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and His ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.

8. The Explanation That Clarifies It All

Here's one parable that explains how God makes Predestination decisions:

Matthew 25:14-30

First note, Jesus had started out earlier in the chapter saying: "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like..."  So "it" in the first sentence below refers to the "kingdom of heaven".

“For it is just like a man about to go on a journey. He called his own servants and entrusted his possessions to them. To one he gave five talents, to another two talents, and to another one talent, depending on each one’s ability. Then he went on a journey. Immediately the man who had received five talents went, put them to work, and earned five more. In the same way the man with two earned two more. But the man who had received one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground, and hid his master’s money.

“After a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. The man who had received five talents approached, presented five more talents, and said, ‘Master, you gave me five talents. See, I’ve earned five more talents.’ “His master said to him, ‘  Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Share your master’s joy.’ “The man with two talents also approached. He said, ‘Master, you gave me two talents. See, I’ve earned two more talents.’ “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You were faithful over a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Share your master’s joy.’ 

“The man who had received one talent also approached and said, ‘Master, I know you. You’re a harsh man, reaping where you haven’t sown and gathering where you haven’t scattered seed. So I was afraid and went off and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ “His master replied to him, ‘You evil, lazy servant! If you knew that I reap where I haven’t sown and gather where I haven’t scattered, then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and I would have received my money back with interest when I returned.

“‘So take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have more than enough. But from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And throw this good-for-nothing servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Notes: This is one example from the Bible of how God foreknew the people He Predestined. "Talent" here is knowledge of God, and multiplying talents is spiritual growth. They all started on relatively equal ground, with an amount of knowledge of God. The servant who did not multiply his talent in the parable, was called "evil & lazy", and was cast out - "became rejected by God". It was a result of the servant free-will action of not multiplying the talents. God didn't make him lazy. And here's the biggest key part from this parable:

"For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have more than enough. But from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And throw this good-for-nothing servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

  • This part: "For to everyone who has, more will be given" means, for some people who chose to grow their knowledge of God by seeking God in the scripture and maturing spiritually, God revealed more of Himself to them - "more will be given". These servants decided to multiply their talents on their own, by choice as clearly stated in the parable. This is why they were rewarded and predestined to salvation, not mysteriously predestined.

  • This part: "But from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him." means, some people with also a God-given amount of knowledge of God decided not to grow it. This is equivalent to not learning Jesus' commands, not keeping them, and not growing spiritually. So, God decided to take away what they knew about Him and replaced it with "eyes that can't see and ears that can't hear". In other words, He knew they were hopeless, and knowing the ending He did not let it drag on throughout their life, He ended it early (spiritually). So, with God's foreknowledge, their destination was decided. 

"And throw this good-for-nothing servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."  explains how God foreknew those who chose not to mature in the knowledge of Him. Resulting in His rejecting and predestining them to Hell. As clear from the parable, it was based on their free-will action! The servant showed his own lack of interest in God, resulting in those wrong decisions.

God did not have to wait for time to pass to see our spiritual decisions. He sits outside of time; He saw it already before creation, and acted based on that. God does provide explanations throughout the Bible about how predestination is done. It is not a God-mysterious choice.

This was not a one-off parable from Matthew. Luke 19:11-27 has a very similar parable. And the rest of the new-testament is full of similarly supporting parables. Note, from our life on earth perspective, these events above unfold in real time for us. But for God, He foresaw them and positioned people to grow in their chosen direction before the creation of the world.

9. So what does all this mean to us?

  • Are we predestined?  Yes

    • It means God foresaw our free-will decision and helped it grow - revealed more of Himself to us.

  • Predestined for mysterious reasons?  No 

    • They are known reasons! God revealed them to us clearly in many parts of the Bible, as explained in the example parable of talents above.

    • Those who accepted His Grace for salvation, God revealed more of Himself to them.

    • Those who ignored His offer, God destined them to hell, and took away any knowledge of Him they had. They live-out their lives completely spiritually-deprived; incapable of having faith. This is why we should not argue with people. The moment we sense their mental block we move on, as in Matthew 10:14.

    • God foresaw 1st, destined 2nd, all done in His realm; He's outside our time dimension.​ There is no "before" and "after" for God! He sees it all, always! He is "I AM"!!

    • What you do now in your life determines your predestination status. Example, are you keeping Jesus' commands? Or not? And no, we're not talking about doing "works of the flesh"!!!

TULIP? We can't make a "cookie-cutter" out of the word of God! We have to keep seeking God, learning, and maturing. 

Respected Calvinist Book Authors? They ran with the "mysterious predestination" and TULIP as final answer and made the Bible fit to it. When it should have been the other way around. Jesus commanded us to keep seeking God in the Bible.

10. Is The T.U.L.I.P Biblical?

No! We cannot reduce God and His scripture to an acronym! Let's examine the TULIP: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, Perseverance of the saints. 

Irresistible grace and Perseverance of the saints

These are good but should be meant for all people on earth, not selectively!


Limited atonement??!!  

There are thousands of statements in the Bible from God and Jesus directed to "whoever", "the world", etc. You want to twist all of these to fit your tulip?!!!

Unconditional Predestination? No

Among all Christian denominations and their evil doctrines, this one is the worst viscous attack on God's word!

It is a Conditional covenant with God!!  But not the false Catholic doctrines, e.g., Purgatory!!. 

Here is the main condition from God in the New Testament:

Matthew 6:14-15

For if you forgive other people when they trespass against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, your Father will not forgive your sins.

It doesn't get any clearer than this! These are very powerful "if" conditions. When your sins are not forgiven, it means you remain an evildoer in the eyes of God, and consequently hell-bound. Obey Jesus's commands! Top of the list is the Lord's Prayer in the Bible!

Some of the reasons the Calvinist church made it unconditional:

  • Had no choice. If God mysteriously decided, then He decided! No conditions!

  • Without the "unconditional" clause, the whole Calvinist doctrine crumbles!

  • Driven by the unbiblical Purgatory type of conditions imposed by the Catholic church. Well, both "unconditional" and "purgatory" are unbiblical. See my page on Purgatory?

Here are other examples of God's conditional covenants:

Jews: They were God's chosen people only if... Example: 

Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine. Exodus 19:5 

Christians: We belong to Jesus only if... Example:

Jesus said: “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever. John 14:15-16


James 4:8

Come near to God and he will come near to you.

And the opposite is true; move away from God and He will move away from you. It is our decision, our free-will.

1 John‬ ‭2:4‬

“The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and yet doesn’t keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

Do you know Jesus' commands? Are you keeping them? Or are you just a "sit back relax you've been predestined" kind of a person?


The subject of "Elect" and "Predestination" should have been left alone, as presented in the Bible. It was a big mistake to go build a whole theology around it and confuse people. As you can see on his page, it's complicated to explain, just as God is not a simple God to figure-out. God in His infinite wisdom decided to only give us some hints about it. It should have been left as hints. As it stands today, we have millions of people confused, and their children are likely to become lost / Atheists because, "why bother, God already decided. I don't see myself in it; Atheism is so cool."

There is no before and after for God! Which is a concept that may be difficult for many people to comprehend. Then the likes of Calvin and their followers took advantage of this niche to rob the innocent lost sheep; rob them both financially and spiritually. People will follow, and will donate to that church. And the book-authors will profit from selling their books. It's a business!  It is acceptable to receive donations but only when teaching the correct word of God in the Bible, not when misleading people!!

God makes His decisions outside of time - eternity past / future visible to Him. But deals with us inside the time continuum we're in.

Of course Calvinist people love the idea of belonging to this exclusive club of God - as in, "Yay we don't have to do anything; God mysteriously elected and predestined us!" Sorry to inform you. You've been misled. Misled by the Calvinist church, and by their highly respected Calvinist book authors. You should have been seeking God in the Bible, instead of drowning in these Calvinist books, looking up big words in the dictionary for the rest of your lives.

What then should the Calvinist & Arminian people do?


  • Simply become Christians. All denominations are flawed in their teachings.

  • Look at my page on: How to Be True Christians. I provide detailed information about how to be a true Christian and explain all your concerns.

  • Pray The Lord's Prayer daily. This is what Jesus commanded. Look at my explanation of the Lord's Prayer is Severely Misunderstood. If you're not doing this, then you're not predestined. Regularly attending a Calvinist church doesn't ensure predestination - It ensures the opposite. Praying the Lord's Prayer daily ensures that you're predestined. And maturing spiritually by seeking God in the Bible ensures you don't become un-predestined!

  • Be loyal to God, not to churches, humans, ancestors, or false doctrines.

  • Get on the right path with God and watch your life transform in amazing ways; God's blessings will pour out on you. But as you stand today, believing the "mysterious predestination doctrine" as in "we don't have a say and don't know how God Elects people", you are on the wrong path in God's eyes. You don't know God, and therefore unless you change your ways, you are at risk of becoming spiritually dead / rejected by God. But God desperately wants you to see clearly and reconcile with Him.


  • Don't become a Baptist or Evangelical, or a Catholic. You don't have to become anything other than a "Christian". God never intended for us to have contradicting denominations.

  • Don't trust any church. 

  • Don't learn Christianity by watching movies about the Bible. Movie makers are profit-focused, not God-focused.

  • Don't read any books about Christianity. Stop reading the Calvinist books and read the Bible instead.

Related Reading

Are We True Christians?

How to Be True Christians

The Lord's Prayer is Severely Misunderstood

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